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Simon Benjamin
Editor, Operator posted 06:09 11/08/09 |
This paper has been submitted for consideration for an upcoming Special Issue of the International Journal of Quantum Information with the theme 'Distributed Quantum Computing'.
In due course the reviewers will post their reports into this thread, at which point the author can enter into an exchange with them and/or revise the manuscript. Third parties are also welcome to contribute to this thread, however the eventual decision of the editors (Dan Browne and Simon Benjamin) will normally be based principally on the reviewer and author postings |
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Anonymous α
Reviewer posted 10:18 11/08/09 |
In this manuscript, the authors investigate how one can estimate the purity or the entropy of a state, if the results of some measurements are given, which do not suffice to determine the state completely. They explicitly investigate the example of stabilizer states.
The topic of the paper is definitely interesting, and fits to the aims of the special issue, but I have the following points of criticism: (a) In the introduction, the authors should mention the paper from R. Horodecki et al, PRA 59, 1799 (1999), because this was the first paper, where the question "How can one estimate the entanglement, when only incomplete information is given?" was considered. (b) The authors should explain in a little more detail, why a state after the map of Eq. 4 is of the form as in Eq. 3. (c) I don't understand the paragraph "Without loss of generality..." in Section 2.2 after Eq. 8.
(d) Section 4: Here some more discussion would be good, also concerning some other families of states. Moreover, its strange that the authors give a specific time (10 ms) but then eliminate it by the definition of the decay constant just two lines later. (e) Section 5: Also this Section is a little bit short. Also, the error estimate they give is quite unusual, as any experimentalist would use Gaussian error propagation. This must be added. (f) I must admit that I don't understand Section 6 at all.
To conclude, the topic of this paper is quite interesting. But several points have to be clarified, before one can decide, whether the present manuscript deserves publication or not. |
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Simon Benjamin
Editor, Operator posted 18:23 21/08/09 |
I have made a change to the article this thread is about. The reason for the change was:
alteration of author email address |
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Harald Wunderlich
Author posted 11:20 24/08/09 |
I have made a change to the article this thread is about. The reason for the change was:
Based on the reviewer's report we made several improvements on the article. |
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Harald Wunderlich
Author posted 11:26 24/08/09 |
At the beginning, we would like to thank the reviewer for the valuable remarks. We supply a revised version of the article and the following list of replies to the comments:
a) In fact, the estimation of quantum states and hence their properties from limited information goes back further. It is in Buzek, JMO 44, 2607 (1997) where Jaynes' principle is discussed. The Horodeckis article picks up on this and shows that Jaynes principle may sometimes provide "fake entanglement" and then advocate the minimization of entanglement as an approach. In a revised version we are now citing their paper. b) We admit that the result of the twirling operation is not obvious. However, it is a well-known fact that any mixed state can be depolarized into a stabilizer diagonal state. We include therefore Ref. [M. Hein, W. Dür, J. Eisert, R. Raussendorf, M. Van den Nest, H.-J. Briegel, "Entanglement in Graph States and its Applications", Proceedings of the International School of Physics "Enrico Fermi" on "Quantum Computers, Algorithms and Chaos", Varenna, Italy, July, 2005]. c) 1) The assumption that all measurement outcomes can be taken to be positve follows from the fact that negative outcomes could be corrected by (local) unitaries acting on the state rho, while leaving the optimization problem of eq. (2) invariant. Of course, it depends on the specific choice of the stabilizers, which unitaries have to be applied. For example, let the stabilizers be given by those of eq. (1), and let m be the number of negative measurement outcomes. We can then relabel the stabilizers in such a way that K_1,…,K_m are the ones which lead to negative outcomes a_1,…,a_m. Now, the application of Z_1 …Z_m rho Z_1…Z_m leads to a state rho’ with the same purity ( tr(rho’^2)=tr((Z_1…Z_m \rho Z_1…Z_m) (Z_1…Z_m \rho Z_1…Z_m)) =tr(rho^2) ), and it is also easy to see that all measurement outcomes are now positive since tr(rho’*K_j)= - tr(rho*K_j) for j=1,…,m. Hence, one can just assume that all measurement outcomes are positive. 2) To specify the condition a_k1+a_k2 >= 1, let us note that this is a necessary condition for a non-zero fidelity, since the minimal fidelity that can be concluded from stabilizer measurements is given by F_min = max[0, (1/2)*(a_1+…+a_N)] as shown in Ref. 10. In the revised version we will say this more explicitly and add the reference. Regarding the maximal mixed state, let us also note that the objective is to find the minimal purity given the stabilizer measurements. Then, as shown in Sec. IIA, the minimization needs only to be carried out over stabilizer diagonal states, which have a nonzero fidelity with the target state only if the above condition is satisfied. In case of the maximally mixed state I/d (with I being the identity matrix of dimension d), measurements of the stabilizer operators belonging to a graph would result in zeros, since the measurement operators are traceless, e.g. X \otimes Z. Therefore, these measurements would not allow to infer a nonzero fidelity. d) In the revised version, we extend the discussion to the case where GHZ states are prepared and measured. The specific numerical values given in this section are typical dephasing rates and measurement times for ion trap experiments. e) The reason for the formulation of the error estimate is that the purity estimation can still be treated as a semidefinite program. In this way, an analytical expression can be obtained. It might be that the approach presented by Audenaert and Scheel [New J. Phys. 11 023028 (2009)] could be used in this context. However, this is out of the scope of the paper and it is very unlikely to deliver analytical results. f) 1) Indeed, in eq. 45 a minus sign is missing, which is now fixed. 2) In this section we address the question “How disordered is the experimentally created state in terms of von Neumann entropy?” The entropy of the target state, the pure stabilizer state, is zero (as it is for all pure states). Therefore the bound on the entropy given by the minimal-purity solution provides a lower bound on the disorder in the system. 3) In the revised version we present an extended, clarified proof still based on the subadditivity of the entropy. The LHS of the inequality is the joint entropy of the system, the RHS is the sum of the entropies of the marginals. Max-Entropy is obtained, when equality holds. Now, we show explicitly that the probability distribution lambda_i provides the exact value for the entropy, not only an estimate (and these values are given in the table). 4) It is indeed correct that alternatives for the derivation of the max-entropy state exist. In the referee’s example one would then still need to determine the Lagrange multipliers. Therefore, we believe that the path presented in our paper may be more direct. |
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Anonymous α
Reviewer posted 13:22 08/10/09 |
In the revised version, some points have been clarified. However,
I have still some comments:
Concerning c2): I think the sentence above Eq. 9 should read "... we restrict to the case of a provable non-zero fidelity ..." or "... we restrict to the case that the mean values a_i guarantee that the fidelity is non-zero...", then everything is much more clear. Concerning d): I know what the dephasing times for ions are. My point was, that it does not make much sense to introduce a specific value of it, and eliminate it effectively two lines later. I think it would be better if the authors consider a general dephasing time \tau. Concerning f3): Its nice that the authors explain in the reply, that the "exact" values in the table are the ones derived from Eq. 51/52. Unfortunately, this is nowhere mentioned in the paper. This is very confusing, because the authors first explain and discuss the table but only afterwards they mention that a exact solution exists. Therefore, its possible best if the authors explain the table at the end of the section, after the exact solution has been invented. Also, formulations like "...differs only from the exact value of the von Neumann entropy..." (probably they mean "exact solution of the maximization problem" instead of "exact value") or the sentence "Even though... following way" are misleading here. Concerning f4): The formula for the entropy can also be found in textbooks. My point was that I find it strange if the authors consider a problem which (and its solution) is known to any physicist, but the authors do not mention this. I do not doubt that the solution of the authors is more compact than the standard solution. Nevertheless, it is required that the authors mention the connection to statistical mechanics, and also mention the formula from my last referee report. To conclude, the authors should necessarily answer the points f3) and f4) according to the suggestions above. If they do this, acceptance of the paper is likely. |
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Harald Wunderlich
Author posted 20:33 19/10/09 |
I have made a change to the article this thread is about. The reason for the change was:
Small changes in accordance with referee's comments |
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Harald Wunderlich
Author posted 20:44 19/10/09 |
Again, we thank the reviewer for the useful comments.
In accordance with the referee report, we made some changes to the article: c2) We follow the referee's suggestion to clarify the sentence which now reads: In other words, we restrict to the case where a non-zero fidelity with the desired stabilizer state can be guaranteed from the mean values $a_k$. d) Again, we implement the referee's suggestion and introduce a general dephasing time. f3) In accordance to the referee's comments, we replace the sentence "Even though... following way" in section 6 for clarification by: "Here, we demonstrate a direct way to determine the exact maximum entropy state in the following way:" Furthermore, in table 3 we make the following changes for clarification: exact entropy -> maximum entropy estimated entropy -> entropy of minimum purity state Also, we place the discussion of the table at the end of section 6 in accordance with the referee's comment. f4) In the revised version we now include the relation of the max-entropy problem to statistical mechanics/Jaynes principle and briefly outline the standard partition function method. |
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Simon Benjamin
Editor, Operator posted 12:06 08/12/09 |
Referee alpha has written an email to the editors stating,
In the second revision, the authors have addressed carefully all points, so I am happy to recommend publication. The thread will remain open for any interested researcher to post questions, observations etc. |
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Benjamin Wong
posted 22:53 08/12/09 |
Dear Prof. Harald Wunderlich
We would like to congratulate you on your paper acceptance, and will get back to you regarding further details on submitting the source files of your accepted paper. We look forward to excellent collaboration. Yours sincerely Mr Wong Chee Keong Benjamin IJQI Editor Email: ijqi@wspc.com.sg |