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Simon Benjamin
Editor, Operator posted 11:44 17/06/09 |
This paper has been submitted for consideration for an upcoming Special Issue of the International Journal of Quantum Information with the theme 'Distributed Quantum Computing'.
In due course the reviewers will post their reports into this thread, at which point the author can enter into an exchange with them and/or revise the manuscript. Third parties are also welcome to contribute to this thread, however the eventual decision of the editors (Dan Browne and Simon Benjamin) will normally be based principally on the reviewer and author postings. |
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Rodney Van Meter
Reviewer posted 06:23 02/07/09 |
Earl T. Campbell,
"How to exploit local information when distilling entanglement," arXiv:0906.1527v2. This review has gotten very long; here you will find major comments section by section, then below a summary of the key requested changes, a few minor comments, then finally some meta-comments on the open review process. Summary: The author presents Zinf and LoMM as two new protocols for entanglement purification, making use of local information to optimize the choice of local filter prior to the first round of purification, then uses imbalance in the undesired states to guide purification. Zinf and LoMM are compared to Horodecki filtering, and shown to produce higher fidelity after one round of purification. The author also proposes a method for scheduling symmetric purification operations to minimize the physical resources consumed, presumably at the expense of temporal ones. Review: I cannot yet recommend the paper for acceptance; there are some major concerns about it as it stands. However, once those issues are cleared up, it will likely be publishable. Overall, the protocols themselves seem to be sound, though I have a few concerns about their physical practicality and how distinct they are from prior work. Some of the work seems similar to the seminal work of Deutsch et al. (DEJMPS, ref. [12] in the paper), which is referenced but not compared in detail, making it difficult to determine the originality of this paper. My primary technical concern with the paper is that it claims to provide more efficient means of purification, but the yield is not shown. It is certainly intuitive that careful use of local information should be better than not using the information, and the plots seem to show that, but the difficulty of accomplishing the several steps in the process is vague. The final measure of the value of a purification scheme should be measured in terms of the number of "base pairs" (unpurified pairs entangled using the underlying physical entangling mechanism). We should be given some indication of the tradeoff of temporal and spatial resources, measured in round trips and qubits used at each end. We need to be told the success probability of each step, as well as the output fidelity. A paper on a purification scheme should allow the reader to determine: * the minimum required physical qubit resources (check, got that) * the number of time steps (round-trip times) required to produce a Bell pair of some target fidelity using the minimum physical resources and assuming some base entangled state presented in this paper) * how effectively the given scheme can use additional physical resources, when available (not presented in this paper) I will make a few suggestions/comments on the protocols themselves, but most of my review will concern Sec. IV, repeated distillation, which is most closely related to my own area of expertise. A lot of my comments will have to do with making the text clearer and more accessible. Some of my suggestions will cast the paper more toward an engineering paper, which may or may not be to the taste of the author and editor. Abstract: The sentence about the Horodecki protocol is unnecessary here. The message in the abstract needs to be sharpened and made more concrete. Sec. I: In your description of twirling in Sec. I.A, are you using a different definition from the original Bennett et al. one? I believe their definition used rotations. Theirs not only suppresses the off-diagonal terms, it averages the three triplet states by transforming one to another. With untouched. Or have a missed some definition somewhere that makes them match? More importantly, although you reference DEJMPS here, DEJMPS does *not* use twirling; it gives an explicity formulation for the growth of fidelity based on known differences in the probability of the undesired states (as well as explicitly analyzing the behavior of purification with pairs of different fidelity, as is done in pumping or other purification scheduling algorithms). I think that the description of twirling is the first use of The "standard recurrence protocol" may be familiar to you and a good fraction of readers, but a couple of sentences/equations on it might improve the accessibility of the paper to those who aren't familiar with purification, as well as reassure other readers that you are using the same definition they carry in their heads. In fact, I would argue that a basic description is a better use of space than a full paragraph on twirling. I am not terribly conversant with the other readers also will not be. Must suspect not; your text.) Without going into a lot of detail, a couple of sentences on properties of the In your description, "It is only when matrix with zeroes along the top row and left column *except* for After Eq. 5, you comment that ![]() ![]() there any other relevant constraints on them, or the Although the paper is already long, the eigenvalues of the Wootters matrix are important, and the matrix itself is not defined here; can it be defined quickly and clearly? Sec. II: A: A small, simple figure here showing the resources and locations might help. The classical communications necessary to support this protocol should be detailed. In step 1, what is the success probability of this operation? Is it performed at *both* ends? Despite the "locally filter" nature of the quantum operations, I think classical communication of at least the success or failure of the operations is required, right? Below Eq. 8, add "with like. B: Eq. 14 is wrong; the last term should be think. As in A, a discussion of the success probability of the filtering is probably needed. Sec. III: Fig. 1 could use an in-figure legend to distinguish the curves. As noted before, the success probabilities are not really defined in the paper in a way that would allow a reader to re-derive your curves. Sec. IV.B.: Fig. 2: I would like to see curves in terms of yield: what is the expectation value for the number of "completed" pairs (passing some fidelity threshold) per time step? I do not believe that your description of nested purification is the same as D\"ur, Briegel, Cirac and Zoller (PRA 59, 1999). That PRA paper is fantastic, a seminal paper in the study of repeaters and purification, but the description of the nested purification schemes actually combines *three* issues that should probably be treated separately: a) the design of the physical operations/circuit for purification (often called the "protocol", though I personally reserve that term for the mostly classical communications necessary to make repeaters work); b) the choice of *which pairs* to purify (what we have called the "purification scheduling" problem); and c) the entanglement swapping that spans longer distances (generally, doubling at each step) at the price of lost fidelity, forcing a loop back into purification. Earlier in that paper, DBCZ define schemes A and B (Bennett et al. (BBPSSW) and Deutsch et al. (DEJMPS), respectively) and C (original to that paper, I think), which are purely(!) about purification, and hence more directly related to your scheme than the discussion of nesting later in the paper. A & B are both symmetrically scheduled, differing in the choice of physical operations and assumptions about the state, whereas the scheduling plan for C is what is now called "pumping", technically independent of the choice of physical operations. In your discussion of "nested distillation", you describe combining symmetric scheduling WITH pumping, pumping a few times at each "level" before combining the result with another one similarly refined, and raising the level. Note that DBCZ use "level" to refer also to how many times entanglement *swapping* has been performed, so that the distance (measured in number of hops) is from your definition. The distinction is made more clear in the more recent D\"ur & Briegel Rep. Prog. Phys. paper (citation below), although it still seems that their original intent was to match "level" with distance and to simply "pump" at each distance. It is also worth pointing out that scheme B explicitly considers imbalance in the undesired Bell states, which is one of your goals, although they do not explicitly use local filtering or the off-diagonal elements, with their analysis focusing on differences among the on-diagonal states. You need to be much more explicit about the difference between your scheme and theirs. Our "banded purification" scheme (the reviewer says immodestly), in which only pairs of similar, though not necessarily identical, fidelity are allowed to purify with each other, can be viewed as a generalization of the nested distillation scheme, although we were very careful to treat the purification scheduling and entanglement swapping as separate problems. Banded scheduling is useful not only because of the improvement in the rate at which low-fidelity pairs improve, but also because truly symmetric scheduling is impossible when you consider memory effects; Hartmann et al. (HKBD, below) showed the impact on throughput, but it's also important to realize the divergence between theory and reality in scheduling purification. (As an engineer, I might list the HKBD paper as the most important repeater engineering paper of the last couple of years.) DBCZ and D&B report that the resources required for their nested pumping scheme are polynomial. It is important to note that it is the *physical* resources that are so restricted; for levels (or "bands", in our scheme), you need only node (see below). However, the total number of base pairs consumed is still exponential in each level and pumping succeeds with probability one (many more, obviously, if counter, in fact, and when the counter overflows, you are "done". For truly symmetric purification, small (no more than six even when initial base-pair fidelities are very low, ~0.6). Actually, to be more correct, you need distance at which that node operates. For end nodes in the chain need enough to guarantee that at least one distance can make forward progress,though clearly better. It is possible, within limits, to trade off temporal and spatial resources to accommodate that exponential number of base pairs. In the limit of a large number of qubits per node, many end-to-end (E2E) pairs are under construction concurrently and many purification operations are taking place at each time step and over many distances. The latency for any individual final pair to "graduate" and go to the next distance would be, for symmetric purification, resource consumed in that time would be improves). It is instructive to view purification and entanglement swapping, then, as classical computer systems problems: scheduling resources, avoiding deadlock, and minimizing communication waits. (Oh, wait, my engineer's bent is showing again. That's the way *I* view the problem, but you are free to focus on more limited aspects in a different fashion.) Jiang et al. (Ref. [4]), if I recall, use pumping, but again be careful about the different use of the term "level". Their mechanism for entanglement swapping is somewhat different from others'. One key to the success of their system is the high initial fidelity. Pumping does not work with a large disparity between the fidelity of base-level pairs and the target threshold. Nest Zinf distillation: With only one subsection, numbering is not necessary. Your algorithm (p. 8) seems to have either some unnecessary steps or inaccuracies: as it stands, steps 6 & 8 are the same, and 7 says to repeat 1-5, giving 1-6,1-5,8. However, that would be the same as 1-6,1-6. This algorithm, in my opinion, would be more readable as pseudo-code than the current step-by-step approach that includes looping and branching as steps. Moreover, I don't understand step 4. Unless I am misreading something, step 4 is performed without entanglement on the A1-B1 qubit pair (which were measured in step 3). This step seems unlikely to actually purify anything, so either there is a bug here, or I don't understand the intent. My concern with the unitaries in Eq. 24 is whether or not there is a straightforward physical means of implementing them. In particular, the assertion that this approach removes one qubit from the required number is, in my opinion, unsupportable except in the context of a particular physical implementation and compilation of the algorithm. Finally, although it is natural to treat a purification paper as a paper on distributed quantum computation (DQC), tying it into DQC a little more explicitly might be valuable. Your goal seems to be support of small-node quantum multicomputers, such as those of Oi et al., Jiang et al., and Kim & Kim. Showing that a focus on optimizing for small-node systems is valuable will at least help the force of the argument, if not the technical material itself. Summary of requested major changes: 1. Compare to the DEJMPS mechanism rather than BBPSSW (or do both), unless you have some strong, valid reason not to. Acceptance of the paper will hinge on this distinction. 2. Recast performance graphs (or add additional graphs) in terms of yield, pairs of some output fidelity per base-level pair created. 3. Correct the discussion of prior art in purification scheduling and choice of physical ops. 4. Recommended, not required: I think Sec. IV.B will be clearer and more easily verified to be correct if couched in terms of the spatial/temporal tradeoff of resources. 5. Fix the nested Xinf algorithm. Minor comments: There are a number of spelling and grammatical mistakes in the paper: "distil", "mixturs", "dipicts". "is delicate property" --> "is a delicate property" "providing a two qubits" --> "providing two qubits" "with concurrence measure" --> "with the concurrence measure" "probability successfully" --> "probability of successfully" "are do not" --> "do not"? "mixed state it terms" "Horodecki" should probably be pluralized as "Horodeckis". A careful read-through will pick up many more mistakes, I have not listed all of them. References: In addition to more carefully contrasting with prior work as described above, this paper should be read for the value it brings to the engineering side: @article{hartmann06, author = {L. Hartmann and B. Kraus and H.-J. Briegel and W. D\"ur}, title = {On the role of memory errors in quantum repeaters}, year = 2007, journal = pra, volume = 75, pages = {032310} } This paper is perhaps an easier and more comprehensive read than some of the seminal ones: @article{dur2007epa, title={{Entanglement purification and quantum error correction}}, author={D\"ur, W. and Briegel, H.J.}, journal={Rep. Prog. Phys.}, volume={70}, pages={1381--1424}, year={2007}, doi={doi:10.1088/0034-4885/70/8/R03}, comment={Good review paper on repeaters and purification.} } which includes 119 references, not all on purification and repeaters, but worth a look. Some small-node quantum multicomputer papers you might like to look at: (later published somewhere?) @MISC{jiang-2007, author = {L. Jiang and J.~M. Taylor and A.~S. Sorensen and M.~D. Lukin}, title = {Scalable Quantum Networks based on Few-Qubit Registers}, url = {http://www.citebase.org/abstract?id=oai:arXiv.org:quant-ph/0703029}, year = {2007}, howpublished = {quant-ph/0703029} } @article{oi06:_dist-ion-trap-qec, author = {Daniel K. L. Oi and Simon J. Devitt and Lloyd C. L. Hollenberg}, title = {Scalable error correction in distributed ion trap computers}, journal = pra, year = 2006, volume = 74, pages = {052313} } (published somewhere?) @article{kim2007ioa, title={{Integrated Optical Approach to Trapped Ion Quantum Computation}}, author={Kim, J. and Kim, C.}, journal={eprint arXiv: 0711.3866}, year={2007} } Edit by Operator: comments on the open review concept moved to dedicated discussion thread, http://quantalk.org/135. Finally, a disclaimer: when approached by the editor to write this review, I asked if he considered it a conflict of interest that I have a paper under review for the same IJQI special issue. The editor assured me that the size of the issue is not fixed, so it is not a zero-sum game. My paper will not be more likely to be accepted if I trash this paper. Having an open review system has the potential to expose such conflicts, at the risk of "false positives" on perception of bias (a rumor goes around that so-and-so was biased, when he/she was not). |
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Earl Campbell
Author posted 11:01 06/07/09 |
I would like to thank Rodney Van Meter for bravely engaging in this open review process, and providing one of the (if not “the”) most detailed and helpful reports I have ever received. I am greatly appreciative of the diligence and attention to detail that has gone into this report. Little touches, like providing the bibtex references for the recommended citations, will make it much easier for me to improve this paper.
Whilst I have not yet had time to address all of his comments, some of his remarks I am able to respond to immediately. Indeed, one of the advantages of an open review is that I can do this! Here I would like to clear up some of the confusion over the nature of twirling and the relationship of DEJMPS to my protocols. This one of Van Meter’s key points and I want to address it whilst the manuscript is still fresh in his mind. Throughout the paper, and whenever I refer to “recurrence”, I am talking about DEJMPS. Since Bennett et al’s protocol and DEJMPS are both often referred to as recurrence, I should have made this clear. In figure 1, a solid black line shows the performance of DEJMPS. In figure 2, DEJMPS is not represented as it fails to improve fidelity for the noise covered in these plots! I will return to this quirk of figure 2 in a few paragraphs. Concerning twirling. Van Meter observes that the original Bennett protocol uses a twirling operation that brings the mixture into a Werner state. Whereas, the twirling process I describe brings the mixture into a Bell diagonal form. Let us call these Werner-twirling and Bell-twirling. Van meter also notes that I reference DEJMPS and thus that I indirectly claim that it uses Bell-twirling. Reading through the original DEJMPS paper there is no mention of twirling. Whilst Van Meter is correct to point out this inaccuracy in my citation, and I will correct the paper accordingly, I just want to convey what I was trying to say here. Although DEJMPS does not physically twirl the system, it does ignore the off-diagonal terms! If we calculate the performance of DEJMPS in terms of the fidelity and yield, it depends only on the Bell diagonal terms. Hence, if we perform Bell-twirling (which does not change the Bell diagonal terms) and then perform DEJMPS, then the resulting fidelity and yield will be exactly the same as for vanilla DEJMPS without Bell-twirling. Hence, whilst I claimed I would be comparing my protocols with a recurrence protocol that uses Bell-twirling, all plots do give the fidelity and success probability for DEJMPS. My motivation for referring to Bell-twirling was that it seemed the easiest way to explain why DEJMPS can only work when the base pairs have F > 1/2. To recap, this is because when we Bell-twirl a state with F <= 1/2, the result is a separable Bell-diagonal mixture. In figure 2, DEJMPS is not plotted because it fails for just this reason, and so it not a competitor. Van Meter is clearly very familiar with the distillation literature, and so it is equally clear that the manuscript needs revision. I intend to remove the discussion of twirling, as suggested, and just say directly that I compare my protocols with DEJMPS. However, I hope that when I have revised the manuscript it will be apparent that in the regime of interest (small F) vanilla DEJMPS is not the real competitor (it fails in all instances covered in figure 2!). Rather in the small F regime, the only real competitor is Horodecki distillation. Note that "Horodecki distillation“ is an abbreviation for Horodecki filtering followed by DEJMPS. I will wait until I have completed a revision until I respond to all Van Meter’s comments. However, until the revision I hope that anyone following this thread will be able to read the current manuscript with the knowledge that it currently equates recurrence with DEJMPS. |
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Earl Campbell
Author posted 10:06 13/08/09 |
Again, I would like to thank Rodney Van Meter for his useful comments. I have made substantial revisions to the manuscript (available as arXiv:0906.1527) and hope that he will now deem it suitable for publication. To begin with I will comment on how I have addressed his main suggested changes:
1. Compare to the DEJMPS mechanism rather than BBPSSW (or do both), unless you have some strong, valid reason not to. Acceptance of the paper will hinge on this distinction. 2. Recast performance graphs (or add additional graphs) in terms of yield, pairs of some output fidelity per base-level pair created. 3. Correct the discussion of prior art in purification scheduling and choice of physical ops. 4. Recommended, not required: I think Sec. IV.B will be clearer and more easily verified to be correct if couched in terms of the spatial/temporal tradeoff of resources. 5. Fix the nested Xinf [sic: Zinf] algorithm. Many of Van Meter’s comments relate to the above 5 major suggested changes. I now turn to his comments that are not directly covered by the above 5 points: The message in the abstract needs to be sharpened and made more concrete. I am not terribly conversant with the matrix…. Without going into a lot of detail, a couple of sentences on properties of the matrix will help. After Eq. 5, you comment that a, b, c and are reals, but are Well clearly the corresponding density matrix is physical! However, I do not know of a neat way to express this in terms of a,b and c.there any other relevant constraints on them, or the matrix? Although the paper is already long, the eigenvalues of the Wootters matrix are important, and the matrix itself is not defined here; can it be defined quickly and clearly? This can be defined quickly and clearly, and so I have added this requested detail to the paper (see equations 8 and 9 and surrounding text)A small, simple figure here showing the resources and locations might help. Have added figure 1 that I hope accomplishes this purpose.The classical communications necessary to support this protocol should be detailed…… Since there are four protocols introduced (including prior protocols), discussing the communication complexity for every protocol would significantly add to the length and I wish to keep the paper as concise as possible. However, I have added a brief remark when filtering is first introduced: “We will not focus on the communication cost of protocols, but note here that every local filtering operation requires one classical bit of information to communicate success.”. I hope that Van Meter finds this satisfactory, as it is my opinion that brevity must trump additional detail in this instance. Below Eq. 8, add "with as x2 control and as x1 target" or the addedlike. Eq. 14 is wrong; the last term should be … Yes, your right! Corrected.As in A, a discussion of the success probability of the filtering is probably needed. Fig. 1 could use an in-figure legend to distinguish the curves. As noted before, the success probabilities are not really defined in the paper in a way that would allow a reader to re-derive your curves. As an intermediate step to finding these quantities, one has to find the correct filtering operation. Even finding the filtering operations does not generally admit a simple form. For example, consider the Horodecki filter. To find the Horodecki filter, one must first partially transpose a 4x4 matrix and calculate the eigenvectors. This involves solving a degree 4 polynomial, with constants that are a function of the 16 elements of the matrix. Even at this stage it seems doubtful that there exists an elegant simple expression for the filter. Hence, we are forced to resort to numerically analysis long before we even compute the trace. I do not believe that your description of nested purification is the same as D\"ur, Briegel, Cirac and Zoller (PRA 59, 1999). That PRA paper is fantastic, a seminal paper in the study of repeaters and purification, but the description of the nested purification schemes actually combines *three* issues that should probably be treated separately: ……. It is also worth pointing out that scheme B explicitly considers imbalance in the undesired Bell states, which is one of your goals, although they do not explicitly use local filtering or the off-diagonal elements, with their analysis focusing on differences among the on-diagonal states. You need to be much more explicit about the difference between your scheme and theirs. Our "banded purification" scheme (the reviewer says immodestly), in which only pairs of similar, though not necessarily identical, fidelity are allowed to purify with each other, can be viewed as a generalization of the nested distillation scheme, although we were very careful to treat the purification scheduling and entanglement swapping as separate problems …. …. Jiang et al. (Ref. [4]), if I recall, use pumping, but again be careful about the different use of the term "level". Their mechanism for entanglement swapping is somewhat different from others'. One key to the success of their system is the high initial fidelity. Pumping does not work with a large disparity between the fidelity of base-level pairs and the target threshold. Nest Zinf distillation: With only one subsection, numbering is not necessary. My concern with the unitaries in Eq. 24 is whether or not there is a straightforward physical means of implementing them. In particular, the assertion that this approach removes one qubit from the required number is, in my opinion, unsupportable except in the context of a particular physical implementation and compilation of the algorithm. Finally, although it is natural to treat a purification paper as a paper on distributed quantum computation (DQC), tying it into DQC a little more explicitly might be valuable…. Minor comments... Van Meter noticed a number of typos that have been amended.References... Where appropriate, I have added citations to many of Van Meter’s suggested references, and have also amended the terminology of the manuscript to be more consistent with these works.I have also made a number of other changes to the manuscript that I hope will improve its conciseness and clarity. If Van Meter is notices any changes and is unsure why they have been made, I will be glad to discuss them. This covers all of the referee’s comments, and I hope that the referee finds that the revised manuscript is now suitable for publication. Indeed, I feel that the manuscript has been much improved by both referees comments. Regards, Earl. |
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Earl Campbell
Author posted 12:38 13/08/09 |
I have made a change to the article this thread is about. The reason for the change was:
Revised in response to referee comments |
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Rodney Van Meter
Reviewer posted 05:05 28/08/09 |
Overall, the paper has improved substantially in clarity. The new
Figure 4 is both enlightening and somewhat surprising; I admit to having expected that the results for Zinf would be much more like DEJMPS. (Hence, doing the work to create it was in fact valuable.) I do have one remaining technical concern about Fig. 4, below. Assuming that can be answered, with a few small changes, I expect to recommend acceptance of the paper. I will review any response to these points as quickly as possible. "will outperform all other protocols in this regime" is a strong statement. Is it proven true, or should it be "outperforms all other known protocols" for certain conditions and assumptions? Fig. 4: One feature of the figure puzzles me. In a1, the yield for Zinf remains 1.0 until about G = 0.002, if I'm reading it right. This suggests that even with $\epsilon = 0.4$ and $G = 0.002$, that $F \ge 0.99$, which is the target output fidelity. (Or, at least, that the state contains enough entanglement that local operations can modify the state to reach the output fidelity.) The puzzle: if $F \ge 0.99$, why don't *all* of the protocols have a yield of 1.0 in this region? If the fidelity has already met our threshold, aren't we done? Or have I missed something here? Are you excluding the possible (expected?) final local rotations from the other protocols? Forgive me for being dumb, but if $\rho_{PL} = 0.6|\Psi^+\rangle\langle\Pi^+| + 0.4|1\rangle\langle1|$, how do you transform that to $0.99 |\Psi^+\rangle\langle\Pi^+| + \textrm{junk}$ using only local operations? It is also not obvious to me why the yield for DEJMPS and LoMM are both so low with vanishing damping basis angle in b1. (Is this mentioned in the text? If so, I missed it.) Caption: is your definition of "yield" correct, or backwards? Shouldn't it be "the average number of Bell pairs of fidelity F = 0.99 produced per base pair consumed"? Sec. V.B: Explicitly mention that A1 and B1 are reused in the protocol after measurement/reinitialization. Minor tidbits: The new Fig. 1 is helpful, but I think it would be even moreso if you labeled A1, A2, B1, B2 on the two $\rho$s on the left. Although I appreciate the attempt at livening up your prose, "However, the local information can never be completely filtered away! Having already remarked that Horodecki filtering is not optimal, the astute reader may suspect that local filtering into the appropriate canonical form will perform better! Indeed, this will prove to be a good starting point." is probably a little too droll for an international journal. Mentioning the reader explicitly is not normal journal style. (At the very least, remove the exclamation points.) Likewise, although the grammar and spelling are much better, there are still a couple of minor things; I don't know if the IJQI staff will clean them up. For example, "et al." needs a period. I would assume that initials in bibliographic entries also need periods. Here is the updated BibTeX for our paper that you cited: @article{van-meter07:banded-repeater-ton, author = {Rodney Van{ }Meter and Thaddeus D. Ladd and W. J. Munro and Kae Nemoto}, title = {System Design for a Long-Line Quantum Repeater}, journal = {IEEE/ACM Transactions on Networking}, year = 2009, month = jun, volume = 17, number = 3, pages = {1002--1013}, doi = {10.1109/TNET.2008.927260} } |
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Earl Campbell
Author posted 12:19 07/09/09 |
I intend to update the manuscript on the ArXiv soon. However, I thought it would be prudent to respond as soon as possible to move things forward quickly. I would have responded sooner, but quantalk did not send me an automated notification that there had been a new post!
Van Meter only has one remaining technical concern. However, unless I am mistaken, he has simply misread numerical values on the yield axis of the Fig 4(a1). He is concerned that the Zinf protocol remains at yield=1 until G = 0.002. If Zinf did maintain a yield of 1 until G=0.002 then Van Meter's concerns would be well founded. However, the yield axis only goes up to yield=0.1, and this is the value that Zinf holds until G=0.002. I hope that if Van Meter has another look at Fig 4(a1) it will be clear that Zinf attains a yield of 0.1. Note also, that this is achieved with a single round of distillation rather than only local operations, which addresses Van Meter’s next point. I guess that Van Meter had assumed that the axis on 4(a1) goes up to 1 because it does so on 4(a2). However, 4(a2) covers a much broader range of values and using the same scale on both figures would obscure much of the detail in 4(a1). To prevent other readers from making the same mistake, I will add a sentence to the caption indicating that the scales differ. I believe I can accommodate the rest of Van Meter’s comments, and I will implement them in the next draft of the manuscript that I hope to upload by tomorrow. |
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Rodney Van Meter
Reviewer posted 12:39 07/09/09 |
You're right, my bad on the scale on Fig. 4 a1 & b1.
Wouldn't it be better to have them the same in all four sub-graphs? They should still clearly show the key points, and it will be easier to visually compare. |
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Earl Campbell
Author posted 14:33 10/09/09 |
I would like to thank Van Meter for his second round of comments. As discussed in the previous posts, his main technical concern is due to several sub-plots using different scales. I have experimented with using the same scale for all four sub-plots. However, this would involve a 5:3 scaling of plot (a1), and some detail would be lost. I would rather keep the current scale, but want to avoid confusing other readers, and so I have tried to clarify the difference in scales by mentioning it in the figure caption. If Van Meter thinks this is an insufficient measure then I will change the subplot.
Before I continue, it is worth noting that I have decided to use the IJQI formatting on the ArXiV version. I did not do this previously, as I did not have a version of the IJQI doc class without the crop marks. Concerning Van Meter’s other comments: It is also not obvious to me why the yield for DEJMPS and LoMM are both so low with vanishing damping basis angle in b1. (Is this mentioned in the text? If so, I missed it.) “The yield depends on both the one round fidelity and success probability, and so the yield results should be compared alongside the one round performance. Specifically, low yields occur whenever the one round success probability vanishes or the one round fidelity approaches 0.5 (the value for a separable Bell diagonal state).“ This does not deal with Van Meter’s specific question. For his specific question, I have added detail to text in the section on Amplitude damping: “In contrast, DEJMPS approaches a separable state in this limit\footnote{This is because of our choice of It should now be clearer why the introduction placed such emphasis on this feature of DEJMPS only working for Caption: is your definition of "yield" correct, or backwards? Shouldn't it be "the average number of Bell pairs of fidelity F = 0.99 produced per base pair consumed"? Explicitly mention that A1 and B1 are reused in the protocol after measurement/reinitialization. “Actually, a local filter is performed, via the POVM measurement in steps 4-5, which reuses qubits A1 and B1 after they where measured in step 3. Our protocol can be thought of as a temporal reordering where local filtering is performed after distillation, rather than before, hence saving valuable spatial resources. ” The new Fig. 1 is helpful, but I think it would be even more so if you labeled A1, A2, B1, B2 on the two $\rho$s on the left. Although I appreciate the attempt at livening up your prose, "However, the local information can never be completely filtered away! Having already remarked that Horodecki filtering is not optimal, the astute reader may suspect that local filtering into the appropriate canonical form will perform better! Indeed, this will prove to be a good starting point." is probably a little too droll for an international journal. Mentioning the reader explicitly is not normal journal style. (At the very least, remove the exclamation points.) “However, the local information can never be completely filtered away. Having already remarked that Horodecki filtering is not optimal, this motivates considering whether local filtering into the appropriate canonical form will perform better. Indeed, this will prove to be a good starting point.” I have also tried to reduce my use of exclamation marks throughout the manuscript! Likewise, although the grammar and spelling are much better, there are still a couple of minor things; I don't know if the IJQI staff will clean them up. For example, "et al." needs a period. I would assume that initials in bibliographic entries also need periods. Here is the updated BibTeX for our paper that you cited:… I believe this addresses all of Van Meters comments in the preceding posts. Earl |
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Earl Campbell
Author posted 14:49 10/09/09 |
I have made a change to the article this thread is about. The reason for the change was:
Revised in light of review comments on quantalk |